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drago34 · Jul 27, 2007, 07:54 AM // 07:54

That's pretty shitty, no one deserves to be scammed. But without using good judgment on these things people kind of have it coming to them. Just report the guy, hope for the best and move on.

Destinyy · Jul 27, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55

Just one thing, recall is a maintained enchantment... surely alarm bells ring when the dude puts recall on you then runs away??? As far as I know, you can tell when recall has been put on you...

Bazompora · Jul 27, 2007, 09:22 AM // 09:22

Report him? Nah ... why?
If the guy resorted to pure in-game methods, then it's not cheating.
Scamming? So what? Crime's part of any society, including the game's.
In my opinion, reporting in-game con-artists to Arenanet, is like dragging in your folks to recover a toy you lost in a bet with another kid.

phoenixar · Jul 27, 2007, 09:45 AM // 09:45

He didn't deserve to lose it..

He wasn't to know the other guy would 'teleport' back and pick the weapon up.. so give him a break. The blame is on the dirty little scum who scammed him and not the victim.

arcanemacabre · Jul 27, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51

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Originally Posted by Bazompora

Report him? Nah ... why?
If the guy resorted to pure in-game methods, then it's not cheating.
Scamming? So what? Crime's part of any society, including the game's.
In my opinion, reporting in-game con-artists to Arenanet, is like dragging in your folks to recover a toy you lost in a bet with another kid.

You're serious? So, let's say you go to a store and buy a new and powerful computer from a local shop for a great deal of $400. You get it home, plug it in and it doesn't work, and in fact, there's nothing but a brick inside the box. You go back and the guy refuses to accept the return. You just got scammed out of $400. But hey, crime is a part of society. You're just gonna let it slide.

Traveller · Jul 27, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

No, with his example, he would be the guy selling the brick.

BSSuperman · Jul 27, 2007, 10:11 AM // 10:11

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Originally Posted by Phaern Majes

Not saying he deserved it, but I'm hoping he does learn from his mistakes.

Whats the saying? "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me."

Its a sucky thing to have happen. Just report the guy and learn from your mistake.

" Fool me once..fooled, you cant get fooled again"

(George "Dubya" Bush II)

/sidenote - No one 'deserves' to get scammed, its just a shame that lowlife scum can log into the game and drag it into the sewers at the same level as their morals. Please people, stop condaming the victim and start condaming the scammer/

Bazompora · Jul 27, 2007, 10:45 AM // 10:45

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

You're serious?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

So, let's say you go to a store and buy a new and powerful computer from a local shop for a great deal of $400. You get it home, plug it in and it doesn't work, and in fact, there's nothing but a brick inside the box. You go back and the guy refuses to accept the return. You just got scammed out of $400. But hey, crime is a part of society. You're just gonna let it slide.

Your attempt to a comparison is all but to be taken serious. Being bluffed or fooled within the perks of a game mechanism equates being bested at the game; you do whatever you can within the game to avoid or repair the situation. Calling on external intervention is just being a bad loser.

silara_jorinset · Jul 27, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by Destinyy

Just one thing, recall is a maintained enchantment... surely alarm bells ring when the dude puts recall on you then runs away??? As far as I know, you can tell when recall has been put on you...

Recall is a maintained for the Assassin. Its cast on another player but maintained/enchants the Assassin himself. So no he wouldn't have seen anything if he missed the original casting.

Iuris · Jul 27, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03

Excuse me, but the game is about vanquishing monsters, building a character, equipping him, and eventually taking on other players in combat. You could take a hint from the "warning, offer has been changed" and similar mechanisms that PREVENT scamming.

Confidence tricking people is NOT "using the game mechanics", just like using a screwdriver to stab someone is not "using a screw driver to its full capacity".

I'm sickened by these two threads (along with the other one with the duo scammer method). Sickened. You don't need to be a lawyer to see this is wrong.

Bazompora · Jul 27, 2007, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by Iuris

Confidence tricking people is NOT "using the game mechanics"

It's as much within the mechanism of the game, as "bluffing" is within that of Poker.

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Originally Posted by Iuris

You don't need to be a lawyer to see this is wrong.

A lawyer can see everything right and wrong.

arcanemacabre · Jul 27, 2007, 11:44 AM // 11:44

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Originally Posted by Bazompora

Being bluffed or fooled within the perks of a game mechanism equates being bested at the game;

The game mechanics are not the law of the game solely. Case in point: Exploits/Bots - these things work |within| the mechanics and both are not allowed by Anet, who is ultimately the law of their own private game. Scams also fall in that category.

My example is quite pertinent, since it provides something that can happen, and in all likely scenarios has happened within the "mechanics" of society. Like the example, it's also against "the law", and should be addressed.

As an aside, how would you handle the situation without getting big brother involved, hmm? Harrass them to get your item back? Also against the "law". Count your losses? That shows even less backbone than going to the authorities. Of course, if you scam someone, I'm sure you'd rather them just count their losses, right?

freekedoutfish · Jul 27, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by lacasner

and the mo/a or something looked at it.

Theres your answer right there. If the monk had Sin secondary, then they are able to shadow step and "teleport" a very long distance instantly.

Your mate will be lucky if this even rases an eyebrow with Anet.

At the end of the day, he was stupid enough to drop an item and not expect the other player to steal it. He was even more stupid to think he had to drop the item for the other player to see its stats.

Has you mate even heard of or used the trade window?

But even though the other player took it, it dont think it would be considered a scam because he put it down. The minute it leaves that players storage or person, he has no claim to it.

Its like you leaving your mobile phone on the table at the pub, and walking over the bar to get a pint. You return to find it nicked, and call your phone provider to get it changed on the insurance.

They wont replace it or do anything about it, because you were negligent.

I just hope your friend has learnt a valuable lesson and uses the trade window in future and doesnt drop items inside an instance.

Leonhart · Jul 27, 2007, 12:16 PM // 12:16

Some one made a thread about this recently, it was like deja vu :/ but it was about the duplicating one lol

fenix · Jul 27, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21

Firstly, it wasn't Recall being used (I'm almost positive), it would have been Return, which is the teleport skill that cripples nearby foes. It can be just used, not maintained.

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

You're serious? So, let's say you go to a store and buy a new and powerful computer from a local shop for a great deal of $400. You get it home, plug it in and it doesn't work, and in fact, there's nothing but a brick inside the box. You go back and the guy refuses to accept the return. You just got scammed out of $400. But hey, crime is a part of society. You're just gonna let it slide.

lol wut? Your analogy is horrible. That's NOTHING like what happened here. What happened here would be compared to;

A guy says that he wants to buy a car, and your car is what he's looking for. He would say something along the lines of "Hey man, I really want your car, but do you think you can lend me the keys, so I can tell that it's in good condition? You might be trying to con me, and there could be something wrong, so I want to test it". So you give him the keys, he drives off, and never comes back.

THAT is what happened here. None of this "brick in a computer", that would be if the guy was selling something that looked like something else, like the Mursaat Token/Ecto scam.

The lesson here? Don't lend your keys to someone if they say they want a test drive.

moko · Jul 27, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

hey fenix, could you lend me your forum password? i need to test and see if i can log in you know.

arcanemacabre · Jul 27, 2007, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by fenix

lol wut? Your analogy is horrible. That's NOTHING like what happened here.

No kidding? I wasn't aware that I posted an analogy. I posted an example. It had nothing to do with the scam in the OP other than it was an example of a real-life scam. Reading comprehension FTW

lol wut? indeed.

Chthon · Jul 27, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by Winter Lady

I too have a problem with people saying this guy deserved being scammed.

Nobody deserves to be scammed with whatever methods used.

A 'stupid' scam (as some poster described) is no different from an 'innovative', 'creative' or 'smart' scam - it is still not an appropiate thing to do.

QFPT
(character minimum)

Brianna · Jul 27, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by fenix

Firstly, it wasn't Recall being used (I'm almost positive), it would have been Return, which is the teleport skill that cripples nearby foes. It can be just used, not maintained.

No the OP said:

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She began to run away from him, roughly right before she left the edge of the mini-map she stopped.

Recall can be used at very long distance, while return has to be in bubble range to be used.

GranDeWun · Jul 27, 2007, 03:02 PM // 15:02

The OP thought the scam was 'pretty good'. Hmm... I would think only one out of a million players would fall for it.